Tulpa.info - metaphysics

But electrolysis is awful

11:50 PM

Doing it anyway

Anyways, adversity I think is something everyone inevitably faces at some point in their life (some moreso than others) so I don't know if fearing it is really something that's gonna be all that helpful, however risky facing it turns out to be.

11:51 PM

Isn't electrolysis done to test chemical composition

It's fear of the pain one feels in that environment moreso than the effort required to overcome it

Oh wait its for hair removal

Electrolysis is when they tweeze body hair and then stick an electrified needle into the hair follicle to kill it and permanently remove body hair

Sounds cosmetic

For trans women with thick facial hair it's super fucking good

11:53 PM

Just big painful

Hmm

11:53 PM

Isn't it just kinda like being tazed

No

Like the pain goes away almost immediately after

It's like getting a tattoo except replace ink with electricity

Ah

11:54 PM

Sounds fun

They do it thousands of times over.

Alice

For trans women with thick facial hair it's super fucking good

ears perk up

It's expensive as shit

Nvm :(

Furry

I can only do it because I lost my car but kept my income

11:55 PM

So the 700/mo car expenses are gone and electrolysis is rooouughly the same

I dont enjoy the idea of unnecessary medical procedures honestly

11:56 PM

Especially cosmetic ones

11:56 PM

Just on a personal level

Seeing thick dark hair on your pale face as a woman makes you want to punch the mirror until your knuckles bleed (edited)

Shave?

Yeah, sometimes the line between cosmetic and not cosmetic is blurred, which means insurance will kill you over it by saying it's not required

Shaving does not remove the facial hair shadow that makes it obvious your genes are male. (edited)

I mean I'd imagine biological females experience something similar

No

11:57 PM

we dont

This might be getting more appropriate for lounge or Cafe

Else what the fuck is that stache dude

11:59 PM

Maybe just some ladies though

Look I happen to know there are women with facial hair

Are you one?

No

Ok then

However I've seen them

Let's move into lounger Cafe here

12:01 AM

Unless someone wants to start talking about something that is associated to metaphysics again

Can you just ask Orhu to stop commenting on it please, its super uncomfortable

Then leave

12:01 AM

You don't have to participate in a conversation

You arent even supposed to be talking about this here, or acting like you know what we go through

12:02 AM

anyways

Orhu

You don't have to participate in a conversation

Tbf your participation on this particular subject does suck

Wow ok

Unfastened Belts

Nvm :(

May I pm you about this subject specifically

I mean sure haha

Unfastened Belts

Hey @Deleted User I have some thoughts on how you're saying you feel very "unconnected to reality" if I phrased that right

marissa yes so that's interesting because there are a few dimensions that we feel disconnected on first is derealisation and with this you disconnect from reality but you feel like you are you depersonalisation which is you still feel the core of you but you see that you are doing things without your control and another thing dissociation which is when the core of you dissolves and all those are like different dials it can be all different so we had a lot of experiences that i think were something that people would call spiritual we even had experience similar to what you called core of self experiencing itself without any identity and just this pure consciousness observing itself and parts of mind but being very disconnected from it it was very interesting this only happened a few times and it was time when we changed our idea from what did community talks about did to something that turned out to be closer to what doctors say i also very frequently have something like spiritual experiences but i know it's all happening in mind and it's interesting that what you say aligns with my thoughts about spirituality too based on the experiences i had in mind so i'm glad it's not just me making things up but it also has ground on something that spiritual people are saying what spiritual experiences are

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Reguile

Have you seen the philosophy of chaos magic? This actually isn't too abnormal for it. they're all about the worship of absolutely absurd and things. Including but not limited to Donald duck (edited)

I looked into chaos magic a little bit until I found about some things they did and I was like, um, nope, not for me. Which is sad cause I liked some of the concepts.

It's very much an internet culture "weird and loose" thing

Yeah Reguile, like you've looked into chaos magick ;P

9:45 PM

I'll be getting an actual PhD before you dabble with the occult

Unfastened Belts

But in order to strengthen that connection, sometimes the connection to reality has to be temporarily weakened

Do you have an example of when you would weaken the reality connection?

Hey uhh other server?

Alice

Only way I can reliably do that is by switching with someone who is less mentally distressed than me, so the brain and body feel better

I mean that's kinda what we do I guess. Vixie is the best at it, I think I'm starting to get good going at it a different way. Scarlet can be an emotionally stabilizing force with specific things but I don't think that is quite the same as is being talked about.

Luuula?

Lula! | 👻

I mean that's kinda what we do I guess. Vixie is the best at it, I think I'm starting to get good going at it a different way. Scarlet can be an emotionally stabilizing force with specific things but I don't think that is quite the same as is being talked about.

In my case I have ptsd from last year and also the mood altering effects of an HRT medication called spiro

9:53 PM

Like, one of them fronting is just a healthier state for my brain

Do you have an example of when you would weaken the reality connection?

Viewing life as being "like a dream", except with different content

And how do I wilfully modify component parts of that stream?

@Alice - jump gonna disagree with Marissa that one can't. I think you can, but it's a little fucky and weird/hard to explain

Try your best

9:54 PM

I'm good at this kind of conversation

In my case I have ptsd from last year and also the mood altering effects of an HRT medication called spiro

@Alice - jump yeah, we know, we're on it too. Seemed to have unusual effects for us than other trans women, or at least for me. Or it was just that me breaking through and really coming into my own was the reason we finally started transitioning, it's kinda hard to say.

10:01 PM

K Alice, gimme a minute and I'll see if I can't dig up some of what I've said on it before

VIXIE | 👻

In my case I have ptsd from last year and also the mood altering effects of an HRT medication called spiro

@Alice - jump yeah, we know, we're on it too. Seemed to have unusual effects for us than other trans women, or at least for me. Or it was just that me breaking through and really coming into my own was the reason we finally started transitioning, it's kinda hard to say.

Yeah my emotions work differently

oh, and to make sure I'm on the right page, when we're talkin about modifying parts of that stream are we talking about things like emotions and thoughts?

Yeah

so here's a bit I had on working on being able to make yourself angry, lol : For the sake of the anger point, I was thinking the ideal tulpamancy is akin to anger. It can be inspired by conditioning, thinking of something that makes you angry, but it's largely a "bottom up" emotion. You can control the situation to make it happen, but you cannot (genuinely) decide to make it happen like you can decide to pick up your arm in a moment It's easy. Step 1) Honestly believe, at least in a compartmentalized way, that you can decide to be angry. Step 2) Decide you are angry. Step 3) Pay attention to anything that feels like anger. Keep feeding it your attention and focus, concentrate on keeping it present. Keep doing this with anything else that pops up that feels along the lines of anger. Practice, practice practice. Each time it's easier to bring those feelings back, and get to more intense ones quicker. It's basically like biofeedback stuff It literally is how we decide to calm down, it's just people actually practice that. But it's practically the same process

11:03 PM

then Lily had something on learning to enjoy stuff you don't originally enjoy but I can't find it right just yet.

11:09 PM

but it's kinda like the inverse, if you can find anything you like about it, great, start focusing deeply on those things and then expanding out. If not, you might need to start with straight up lying to yourself. And don't pay attention to/think about the things about it you don't like, and hopefully I think the halo effect kind of starts taking over and you can appreciate more and more of it but honestly I think the biofeedback comparison is maybe the best. When you get stuff in line with what you're trying to condition in yourself, focus in on it and pay attention to it so you can figure out how to get back to/persist that state, and when you get things that conflict with it, ignore/discard them, don't fixate on them or beat yourself up about it or that's just going to keep it in your mind more. Kinda like mindfulness meditation that way, acknowledge them as incorrect and move on/let them pass

Hrt enabled me to be angry

12:49 AM

In fact it compels me to, and that is frightening and bad feeling and I hate it

heres a horny physics: asstrons have a half integer meatspin

5:10 AM

it is all part of my new branch of ontologically deductive physical systems called assphysics

5:11 AM

biology is the poop

5:12 AM

the social sciences of sapient entities are essentially the jenkem

I don't know if hrt made me angry but it definitely made me more assertive

6:39 AM

either way I like anger, so it was more of a matter of learning to weild it without causing problems.

Wow look at that sexy-ass ontologist

VIXIE | 👻឵

either way I like anger, so it was more of a matter of learning to weild it without causing problems.

So after the whole thing with the "kys tranny" troll guy in the other channel last night, I got mad and for the first time i can remember, I wasn't compelled to direct all that adrenaline and tension inwards

1:26 PM

I was highly pissed ofc but it didn't corrode my mental well being in the way it always used to

Idk why but I decided to lurk around 4chan for a bit

5:09 PM

Any truth to this?

So after the whole thing with the "kys tranny" troll guy in the other channel last night, I got mad and for the first time i can remember, I wasn't compelled to direct all that adrenaline and tension inwards

@Alice - jump good!! Ahh yeah, definitely don't point that stuff inwards, I can definitely see why you don't like it now. Gotta be careful where you point it outwards too

the modern concept is very different from the old concept, and referring to them with different terms would make sense. I've heard that the old ones were refered to different terms in the first place though (edited)

VIXIE | 👻

So after the whole thing with the "kys tranny" troll guy in the other channel last night, I got mad and for the first time i can remember, I wasn't compelled to direct all that adrenaline and tension inwards

@Alice - jump good!! Ahh yeah, definitely don't point that stuff inwards, I can definitely see why you don't like it now. Gotta be careful where you point it outwards too

I've got a part of my wonderland called the black void where I can just manifest any kind of inanimate object and destroy them

One issue is that 90% of this is hearsay from people and there are no actual Tibetans who actually practiced tulpamancy going around talking about how things should be.

We're all just western internet nerds at the end of the day

5:17 PM

Unless an initiated Buddhist practitioner from Tibet deigned to actually interact here

5:17 PM

Which they wouldn't

5:17 PM

Thus it's dumb to try to "well actually" each other about it imo

5:18 PM

Alexandra David-Neel didn't even spell it correctly